And that, to me, is energizing and exciting, and it opens up all these other lines of inquiry, like, one of the things Charles Gallagher writes about in his book is this character Francis Sweeney who tragically dies very young, who played this incredibly intrepid role in exposing the Christian Front in Boston, which was taking funding from the Hitler government, which was showing German military propaganda movies, which was running pogrom-style violence against Boston Jews. Rachel Maddow: And he's calling for Christians to boycott Jewish businesses and saying that America, he, as Father Coughlin, takes the path of fascism. Rachel Maddow: And your country will respond to you not necessarily by declaring your behavior illegal because it may not be --. Well, then who are the Jewish bankers, right? But the effort to force a resolution to it through the criminal law and through the courts didn't work. Deadline: White House. Theres other nuances but --, Chris Hayes: -- you know, I mean, Hitler literally led a mob against the seat of government --. She'll still appear on MSNBC, just not as often. I think we're capable of it. And the unhealthful thing about my new life is that I've lost one very healthy thing that I had, which was strict compartmentalization --, Rachel Maddow: -- which is between weekdays and weekends and --, Rachel Maddow: -- working and not working --, Chris Hayes: I say this to people all the time when they say, "Well, oh, God, it must be crazy when you go on vacation. I mean, theres a role to play for all these different kinds of Americans who bring their whole civic selves to this fight. "He's an extraordinary talent and has made a strong connection with our audience." [35] So we got January 6th attack on the Capitol. Doni, do you remember what you told him? I feel done. It is everything that I would have wanted. And I've been kind of like champing at bit of, like, OK, what do we do here? A funny thing happens when you watch a lot of MSNBC: everyone's faces all sort of start to . And my friend and colleague, Rachel Maddow, is one of those people. And the way you do the work to get them there is to assume that people know nothing when you start, right. The ReidOut. So to me, that's like the thing that I feel like I brought to this job that I've tried to hold on to and tried to build on, which is people are capable of absorbing any level of complexity and even obscurity if you do the work to get them there. All Rights Reserved. He took months and months and months, and it was very, very dangerous work because of what he was doing. And we are not going to fight them by getting rid of our civil liberties. Chris Hayes: Yeah. I mean, they were in control but also profoundly corrupt. I can keep doing what I'm doing. It's like, yeah, my job does this, but then there's you, inside. Doni Holloway will be checking those and sending me the good ones, screening out anything critical. Chris Hayes: -- by Reverend Alson J. Smith --. Listen to Rachel Maddow talk about her new podcast, what it's like to be covering the news in this political moment, how we can use history to make sense of . That was 1940, and then by 1941, we were in World War II, and we moved on. Chris Hayes: And all that nasty unseemliness in '39 and '40 --, Rachel Maddow: We beat them. Rachel Maddow: Right. Chris Hayes: "I think the future is unwritten, and anyone who tells you they know what's going to happen is wrong. Babe Ruth just completely annihilates the records, hits 29 in 1919 --. But the thing that was very exciting to me about that was like, oh, well, let's see what Babe Ruth is going to do next. And hes very, you know, honest about the fact that antisemitism was not a sin in the Catholic church --. Rachel Maddow: -- fight fascism and save the country. Chris Hayes: We should talk about, since its mentioned, the title is "The Christian Front: Coughlins Storm Troopers," and maybe we should talk a little bit of Coughlin because he is a key figure. Rachel Maddow: -- matters, when having the secretary's name doesn't matter. And it's not just fact-checking, it is people correcting you when you stray and having a trusting relationship with the people you work with, so that --. And then a guy named Babe Ruth comes along. Chris Hayes speaks with MSNBC anchor, author and friend Rachel Maddow about her new podcast, "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra" and more. I mean, so the German American Bund is --. Hayes is happily married to Kate Shaw, and they are blessed with . ", Chris Hayes: I have one work product. I love that scientific part of it. Do you buy the explanation of the presence of the swastika on the desk? As Sean Hannity rooted for the likely end of Lori Lightfoots political career, he simply couldnt help himself. I mean, I brought this for you as a present. Culture Rachel Maddow Coronavirus MSNBC TV. You know what I mean? That --, Rachel Maddow: -- like, technical suspense? And he sort of leaves the clan and forms a successor organization, and then joins with all these American fascists, including those who are in touch with Hitlers government, to create a plan to build an American fascist, to create an American violent fascist to overthrow here. You take the base average the number of viewers who tune in at a specific time slot, no matter the host then measure whether a particular host raises, drops or maintains that average.. For example, The Rachel Maddow Show averaged 2.6 million in 2021 at 9 pm. In addition to Maddow, Brian Williams is talking about leaving his program "The 11th Hour" when his contract expires in the next six months, according to sources who say he wants to end the late-night gig. Chris Hayes: You know, we have D-Day. And the thing that I thought was beautiful about this is that, at the end of this whole thing, exposing the Christian Front and talking about how theyre essentially --. Chris Hayes: And they like to hear fascist rhetoric. So I'm glad that history is written, but there's another way to write this history rather than just saying, oh, these poor defendants, they never should have been put on trial. Chris Hayes: Howard Stern, yeah. Like, please, because thats like --. Rachel Maddow: -- your story and learn it. And a lot of the most fascist stuff comes from what it gets in the room. And then, you know, it's one of these things where the story you end up learning, even at a relatively high level of sophistication in American history, is like, what comes out the other end, which is that we liberate --. Chris Hayes: And that's something that comes through in the story you're telling in a way that, I think, we really don't think enough about. So the thing that I left out at the intro is that, and I've said this before publicly and you've said it before and it's like reported, like, the way that you would approach the show daily was just, like, an unbelievable amount of work, you know, just in terms of sheer hours, and in effort, and in rewrites and revisions and making those A blocks, particularly, which they take a bunch of different producers and they're very long for --, Chris Hayes: -- cable news, which is part of the reason they don't get done at that length because, actually, it just --, Rachel Maddow: Means a lot of commercials in the back-half of the show because you can't put any in the first 25 minutes --, Chris Hayes: Right, but it also means, like --, Chris Hayes: -- constructing. The presence of a hate symbol in a picture of two liberals mugging for the camera was too much to ignore. So all that said, it is a great pleasure to have the one and only Rachel Maddow. Rachel Maddow: Theres no such thing as todays Father Coughlin. And I'm hoping, in some ways, that learning the history of other Americans who've done it well can give us some energy. It ends up being very handy. On July 12, 2021, a photo of Rachel Maddow was posted to the "Community" tab of MSNBC's YouTube account. We put it off a million times for COVID, and then we finally did it. And they sent a sort of wunderkind prosecutor down to Louisiana. You're so good at suspense, so good. MSNBC pundit Rachel Maddow recently announced that her partner Susan Mikula tested positive for COVID-19 . blend together . Chris Hayes: So the broad contours of this, and again they're individual stories and I want to keep that narrative suspense --, Chris Hayes: -- is about essentially, like, fascist sympathies in the United States in the run-up to World War II. There's some sort of conventions to some game or genre, whether it's artistic medium or it's a sport, you know, Michael Jordan, Picasso, Steve Jobs, like people that just do this thing that other people are doing. And then someone comes along, they just like do it differently. Maddow joins WITHpod to discuss what shes been up to, how she found the story thats told in her new podcast, the editorial and creative process that has followed and more. And were on the train leaving New Orleans heading towards Texas, and were growing across the Huey Long Bridge. They didn't want Nazi war criminals being put on trial because that was unfair to the Nazis. What more can we say? Chris Hayes: Exactly. Rachel Maddow: And its like, you know what, Francis Sweeney, you know, I dont know if there ought to be a statue to you, but I definitely want to read a lot more about you and know --. Discover will be the first credit card company to use a new merchant identification code that will show purchases made at gun stores. Rachel Maddow: -- and freaks and crooks and, you know, people who dont pay their taxes. Politics, Foreign Policy, Military & Defense Issues. Its a real party. Chris Hayes: Let's talk about Ernest Lundeen --. Signers responded to outreach from three organizations--Just Foreign Policy, RootsAction.org (which I coordinate), and World Beyond War--calling for concerned individuals to "urge Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, and MSNBC to correct their failure to report on the humanitarian catastrophe in Yemen and the direct U.S. military role in causing the . Are you a prosecutor working in the southern district of New York whos, you know, deciding whether or not the FBI thats not interested in these things could be trusted to infiltrate these groups or whether or not youre going to tap these outside activist groups and take their information to build your prosecution around? "We were children together and now we're grey-haired television anchors,". MSNBC's Alex Wagner reminisces with childhood friend Chris Hayes during the premiere of "Alex Wagner Tonight" Tuesday. Right. Chris Hayes: But, like, where everyone was on Hitler and Nazis in '39, '40s, I guess, what I'm saying, is like a very different thing than where everyone is on Hitler and Nazis in '44. After Maddow's nine-week sabbatical, she returned to The Rachel Maddow Show on April 11 and made it official for her viewers: They'd have her four nights a week through the end of the month,. Yeah, it's about titrating that stuff. One of her new projects is "Rachel Maddow Presents: Ultra," a podcast all about the history of pre-World-War-two American fascism, and those who worked to stop it. Journalism aside, he has authored several books, including A Colony in a Nation (2017). But it's this great, I think, very resonant tension between something happening that does seem to require a criminal law response that is not well-managed by a criminal law response. Rachel Maddow: -- isolationists to move in, right? If you're doing something in 90 seconds, it's like there's just a lot more room for error, right? I think that American activism waxes and wanes and is maybe less robust on this front than it was in the '30s and '40s, in this time that Im writing about. The 11th Hour with Stephanie . So Charles Coughlin, I think everybodys heard of him. And then you talk about somebody you seen as like running the ideological member line, right? All sorts of other efforts against those forces did work. Coughlin starts out as a kind of like not quite left figure, but he is supportive of the New Deal. Rachel Maddow: I know, but its a speech about the Jews, about the evil --, Rachel Maddow: -- of the Jews. Chris Hayes: You have this detail about he reprints -- Goebbels --. That's actually a great primary source for this work because he reproduces all of the statements from the trial, that are hard to get from the multi-thousand-page transcript of the trial now, simply because he wants to rebut them in his book. If You Liked All In with Chris Hayes. I mean, you can't have people who are afraid to tell you no, you can't. As Hayes wrapped up his 8:00 p.m. show, he passed the baton to his 9:00 p.m. successor, who then immediately alluded to an earlier conversation the pair had earlier in the day. And sedition is, therefore, very hard to prove because anybody whos on trial for sedition --, Rachel Maddow: -- did not have an effective --, Rachel Maddow: -- seditious plan. And why have you never heard of this guy? But if you think about a sedition trial like sedition is trying to overthrow the government by force, if you succeeded in your seditious plot --.